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blog:x68_pro_fault [2020/08/07 08:34] – [Okay, lets replace ALL capacitors] johnblog:x68_pro_fault [2021/02/24 14:03] (current) – [The Final Curtain] john
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-=== Capacitor List === 
  
-Following the visual check, I made a list of all the (electrolytic) capacitors on the boards: 
- 
-^ Number ^ Board ^ Capacitance ^ Voltage ^ Temperature Rating ^ Notes ^ 
-| C1 | Main  |0.47uf |50v |85c | |  
-| C5 | Main  |220uf |6.3v |85c | |  
-| C12 | Main  |330uf |6.3v |85c | |  
-| C13 | Main  |100uf |16v |85c | |  
-| C15 | Main  |330uf |16v |85c | |  
-| C16 | Main  |470uf |6.3v |85c | |  
-| C38 | Main  |4.7uf |50v |85c | |  
-| C39 | Main  |4.7uf |50v |85c | |  
-| C40 | Main  |470uf |10v |85c | |  
-| C41 | Main  |470uf |10v |85c | |  
-| C43 | Main  |470uf |10v |85c | |  
-| C44 | Main  |3300uf |6.3v |85c |Large cap near rear IO panel|  
-| C47 | Main  |4.7uf |50v |85c | |  
-| C48 | Main  |4.7uf |50v |85c | |  
-| C49 | Main  |4.7uf |50v |85c | | 
-| C50 | Main  |100uf |10v |85c | | 
-| C56 | Main  |33uf  |10v |85c | | 
-| C201 | Sub   |100uf |6.3v |85c | |  
-| C202 | Sub   |100uf |10v |85c | |  
-| C203 | Sub   |100uf |10v |85c | |  
-| C204 | Sub   |330uf |6.3v |85c | |  
-| C205 | Sub   |47uf |16v |85c | | 
-| C207   | Sub   |10uf |16v |85c | |  
-| C210 | Sub   |47uf |16v |85c | | 
-| C211   | Sub   |100uf |6.3v|85c | |  
-| C213 | Sub   |4.7uf |50v |85c | |  
-| C214 | Sub   |47uf |16v |85c | |  
-| C215 | Sub   |47uf |16v |85c | |  
-| C218 | Sub   |100uf |6.3v |85c | |  
-| C220 | Sub   |4.7uf |50v |85c | |  
-| C221 | Sub   |4.7uf |50v |85c | |  
-| C222 | Sub   |47uf |16v |85c | |  
-| C223 | Sub   |330uf |6.3v |85c | |  
-| C224 | Sub   |100uf |16v |85c | |  
-| C225 | Sub   |100uf |6.3v |85c | |  
-| C226 | Sub   |100uf |16v |85c | |  
-| c227 | Sub   |0.47uf |50v |85c | |  
-| C231 | Sub   |0.47uf |50v |85c | |  
-| C232 | Sub   |1uf |50v |85c | |  
-| C233 | Sub   |0.47uf |50v |85c | |  
-| C234 | Sub   |100uf |10v |85c | |  
-| C238 | Sub   |0.47uf |50v |85c | |  
-| C239 | Sub   |0.47uf |50v |85c | | 
-| C240 | Sub   |330uf |6.3v |85c | | 
-| C241 | Sub   |100uf |16v |85c | Failed |  
-| C242 | Sub   |330uf |6.3v |85c | |  
-| C243 | Sub   |100uf |16v |85c | Failed | 
-| C244 | Sub   |330uf |16v |85c | | 
-| C249   | Sub   |1uf |50v |85c | | 
-| C251   | Sub   |22uf |16v |85c | | 
-| C255 | Sub   |4.7uf |50v |85c | |  
-| C256 | Sub   |47uf |16v |85c | |  
-| C262 | Sub   |330uf |16v |85c | |  
-| R221 | Sub   |47uf |16v |85c | Cant make the number out, but its next to R221.| 
- 
-Yes, that's right; there are more than **50** electrolytic capacitors on the motherboard. 
- 
-Quantities: 
- 
-   * **6x** 0.47uF, 50v 
-   * **9x** 4.7uF, 50v 
-   * **2x** 1uF, 50v 
-   * **1x** 10uF, 16v 
-   * **1x** 22uF, 16v 
-   * **1x** 33uF, 10v 
-   * **7x** 47uF, 16v 
-   * **3x** 100uF, 6.3v 
-   * **4x** 100uF, 10v 
-   * **5x** 100uF, 16v 
-   * **1x** 220uF, 6.3v 
-   * **5x** 330uF, 6.3v 
-   * **3x** 330uF, 16v 
-   * **1x** 470uF, 6.3v 
-   * **3x** 470uF, 10v 
-   * **1x** 3300uF, 6.3v 
- 
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 === Next Steps === === Next Steps ===
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 **[Update - August 3rd 2020]** - Since there seems to be ongoing issues with the system, the only thing that makes sense to do at this point is to replace **all** capacitors. **[Update - August 3rd 2020]** - Since there seems to be ongoing issues with the system, the only thing that makes sense to do at this point is to replace **all** capacitors.
  
-For the full list of caps on the main board, refer to the [[blog:x68_pro_fault#Capacitor_List|table above]]+For the full list of caps on the main board, refer to the my [[blog:x68000_pro_cap_list|X68000 Pro]] capacitor list page.
  
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    * **2x** 22uF, 25v    * **2x** 22uF, 25v
    * **2x** 100uF, 10v    * **2x** 100uF, 10v
 +
 +{{:blog:img_1716.jpg?350|}} - Drive control board; C101, C107 replaced (make sure you bend or fit a low profile caps)
 +
 +----
 +
 +=== Logic IC Components ===
 +
 +Not sure whether any of these will need replacing, but here's a list of all the discrete logic components on the board (excluding things like the sound chips, cpu, ram, video controller, etc):
 +
 +   * [[blog:x68000_pro_ic_list|Sharp X68000 IC list]]
 +
 +===== Another Round of Testing =====
 +
 +=== Audio Circuit Repair Test ===
 +
 +Well the op-amp and amplifier IC replacement fixed the issue with no sound coming from the speaker unless you had your ear up against it:
 +
 +{{jPlayerPlaylist>blog:x68000_op-amp_repaired.mp3}}
 +
 +It's still not the greatest in the world, but it's fine for a tiny little 0.5w case speaker.
 +
 +----
 +
 +=== Keyboard ===
 +
 +Keyboard is still inactive.
 +
 +----
 +
 +=== Joystick Ports ===
 +
 +Tried an MSX compatible pad in both port 1 and port 2, it doesn't register in Motos. The game won't let you start.
 +
 +----
 +
 +=== Floppy Drives ===
 +
 +Floppy drive 0 still works fine. Floppy drive 1 still spits the disk back out as soon as you've inserted it.
 +
 +----
 +
 +=== Memory ===
 +
 +The onboard 1MB, the additional 1MB from the IOData module and the extra memory on the XSIMM10ss card all test fine in memtest68k.
 +
 +----
 +
 +=== Booting Human68k DOS ===
 +
 +A Human68k dos boot disk still brings up the //"It was not possible to start the system, please reboot"// message.
 +
 +----
 +
 +==== So What Now? ====
 +
 +I'm out of ideas with the system now. I think there is quite likely some damage to one or more of the IC's on the boards, but where to start with that, I've no idea. I don't have a scope and I don't have an electronics background.
 +
 +**[Update September 2020]** - So I bought a '__working__' X68000 Pro from Japan, planning to use most of the parts from it to make a fully working system... but upon arrival... well, [[blog:x68_pro_fault2|see for yourself]].
 +
 +The plan now is to remove as much of the obviously unaffected components from the new 'donor' system as possible - desoldering chips, if necessary - and transplant them in to my 'mostly working' system that I've spent all of this effort on.
 +
 +Stay tuned, I'll be posting more progress below.
 +
 +====== The Final Curtain ======
 +
 +**[Update 24/02/2021]**
 +
 +After spending months more trying to get the system working I only just managed to get it booting a Human68k floppy - despite desoldering the last remaining surface mount chips from the IO sub board. Keyboard still didn't work, joystick still didn't work - making it completely unusable.
 +
 +Tracing signals and low level logic debugging is not what I want to get in to, so it's time to draw a line under all of this and move on. Perhaps someone more adept than myself could get this running again. But that's it for me; I need to move on.
 +
 +It's pretty sad to say that //were it not for the incorrect PSU wiring diagram//, this would have been an easy job and I'd have had months of fun playing with the system by now.
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